So I just got back from wiring my first month of rent and guaranty money to Mr. DK House (he has informed me that normally, Sophia kids will pay all 4 months at once, but it's cool for me to pay one month at a time), and I was thinking "Hey I wonder if my Sophia Tomodachi know the ins and outs of wire transfer?" I'm not sure if you guys have had to pay any entry fees or application fees or all that jazz, so I'll tell you how it goes down! Without further ado, I present to you..
5 Important Rules of International Wire Transfer
or, Things I Wish Someone Had Told Me Before I Tried To Do An International Wire Transfer
by Natalie N. Wilson
- Make sure you have the money you need in your bank account!! This is the number one important thing!! You can't just go in the bank with some cash and say "I wanna wire this to Japan." You need to have an account with the bank you'll be wiring from, and make sure you have enough money to cover the wire as well as any bank fees (usually $25-$50) in your checking account or savings account there. Also, the yen/dollar conversion rates you get off the internet aren't always accurate, so try and have some extra money to cover that. My first transfer ended up being about $50 more than I expected.
- Make sure the money is in that account BEFORE you go to the bank! This equally as important as number 1!! If you go to a bank and put cash into your account, it takes at least 24 hours to show up and be usable. If you do it online, it can take up to three days! Personal experience: I tried to wire some money on a Friday, so I put the cash into my checking account there at the bank. Then they said "Oh, it won't be available for 24 hours." And the bank is closed on Saturday... so I went back on Monday, and they said "Oh, since you deposited that money after 2:00 on Friday, it won't be available until Tuesday." What?! So also if you deposit money into your account on a Friday, do it before 2:00pm! They were able to transfer money from my savings account to my checking account of the same bank instantaneously though, so that's a good route!
- Don't try and get more than several hundred dollars out of your ATM account in one day. So the first part of that last anecdote goes like this: I needed to wire the money, but the money was in my local bank account and I was in NYC. So I tried to get a ton of money out of my local account using an ATM. First of all, they only let you take out maybe $300 dollars at a time, and after about $700 or $800, they say you've reached your daily limit and your bank freezes your card and starts calling you... so... just have that money!
- Make sure you have all the information for the Japanese bank and person you're paying. I'm guessing they probably sent this with your housing/billing info, but you're gonna need the Japanese bank's name and address, account number, swift code, any other codes they might give you, as well as the beneficiary/payee's name and address. Bring these to the bank, and be prepared to explain stupid Japanese addresses... lol.
- Receipts usually aren't available until hours after you've completed the wire process with your bank! Pretty much every transfer I've done, the people I've sent the money to have wanted a receipt faxed or e-mailed to them so they know the money is on its way. I think what happens at the bank is that they fill out all the forms for the wire transfer and then they fax it somewhere for processing, or it somehow takes longer to process. When I wired from Bank of America in C'ville, the lady I was working with offered to fax the receipt herself from the bank once it was available. Working with my local bank here, they've had me come back in about an hour or more to pick up the receipt. So allow for extra receipt-acquiring time!
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Hurrah on the 50th post! And what a post it was! Thank you sooooo much Natalie...I love you so much for providing this information. I have somewhat slacked on doing all of this...and tomorrow I have to go to Citibank to actually open a checking account, deposit money, and was going to ask about all of this. I hope I still have enough time to get it all done. *Crossing fingers*
And hopefully Greg was able to scan the papers and send them your way (I hadn't checked the blog this week to see that).
He totally did! =) Hoorraaayy!! Is it too soon to say that (be prepared to be introduced to the fact that I totally love Naruto, I know it's waay popular and I probably shouldn't like it so much but I just do so there, deal with it) I already feel like you and Greg are like part of my 3-person ninja team? haha....ha...hrm..
*awkward no justu*
An account at Citibank just for Japan Jen? Is that better/easier than taking just money/travelers' checks?
Also- Go to wire a transfer on a weekday and probably, the earlier the better. Cut off for Bank of America was at 5pm Friday and when I went on Saturday, the wire transfer didn't go out until Tuesday (Monday was President's day so..). Then they didn't even want to give me a receipt, saying the carbon copy of the paper with all the information they needed to make the transfer was equivalent to one (but it's not because they didn't even do a conversion for me and I had to find out exactly how much it ended up being in USD through my account online)(and there was nothing on the paper to confirm that the bank in Japan received it).
Also- faxing international from a store like Staples/Kinkos is expensive! ~$6 for the first page, $4-4.50 for the second (kinko's was more expensive) so beware- unless you guys know a cheaper way of sending.. -_-
ooo man.. I didn't even think about faxing international...So far I've been able to just do email, but DK seems to want fax.. I was hoping to just do it from the local library or something? (I just remember being little and my grandpa would let me draw a picture and then we'd fax it to the library and go pick it up, haha, that's my only basis for thinking I can fax things from the library), but now I might need to change my plans cause I doubt they could do international..
I was looking online, and there's a lot of services for online faxing, but they're even more expensive, because you have to sign up for a subscription first, and then you get charged for each page as well... There has to be a better way! (Cause I don't live anywhere near a Kinko's!)
By the way... these are just some more examples of new situations that have come up with study abroad that it's like.. we've never had to do this before, don't know anything about it, wish someone could have told us how it works before we messed it up and almost missed a deadline, you know? I wonder if making like... a Study Abroad wiki would be helpful.. you'd still have to think to search on each topic, but maybe people would browse and learn things they didn't know before.. what do you guys think?
great post natalie! i also wired my money recently and like mia did it before president's day. so it didn't go through until tuesday. the lady that helped me converted the funds to Yen and told me what that was in USD and she also said that the carbon copy was the receipt. so i'm going to fax my confirmation today. luckily my sister works at a copy center as a designer so i don't think i'll have to pay for it... w00t :)
hey you guys, also, i was thinking, can i link this blog to the destination:asia08 site? what natalie was saying about making a wiki made me think of it. this blog has all of our frustrations and insights raw and uncensored.
let me know what you all think.
Go for it! If anyone is interested enough to read our little old blog, then that seems like all the clearance needed, haha.. although we are a litttle censored now I suppose.. I still wanna try the wiki idea out though.. it'd be nice if aaall study abroad kids could compile their knowledge and experience into an easily searchable and browseable place
and by the way, I love how I'm like.. "I know it's really early in the morning, and I just posted like.. 10 minutes ago, but why don't I check the blog for comments..."
and then sometimes like today, there's comments! hahaha...
Pre-comment-reading-comment:
That was the fucking coolest post that I've read on this blog. Mainly for the format.
1. Thanks for the coolness.
2. Thanks fort the information.
3. I'd be honored to be a member of your 3-ninja team. I keep up with the Japanese manga via download : )
4. I'm in Charlottesville and am having nothing to do with Sophia stuff at the moment. Unfortunately, that means having no idea what my parents or doing or if they're even doing anything. That means I may not be getting any life experience myself, but I sure can live vicariously through you all!
... ugh, that's sooooo LAAAAME.
I think I'll post oooonnnnn... Sunday or something.
I had no idea this post would be so popular! It's definitely the list format..
Greg, still no word from Chris? DK House has always responded pretty quickly to me.. The good news is our dream flight still has 9 seats available!
I feel bad about reading scanlations but.. I guess that's no worse than watching the eps on youtube, lol.. Nick's coming to visit me over break and we're gonna catch up on Shippuuden, I think we last watched at the end of the Sasori part, we're waay behind. I've never read the manga! Which do you prefer?
Wowee, I wasn't expecting to come back to all these comments either!
So, I just did the wire transfer today woohoo! As to faxing internationally, my dad's gonna see if he can do it at his office. If not, we're gonna see if our fax machine at home works and then use a long-distance calling card or something to do it. Otherwise, my dad also suggested the library...
To Mia: Well, I went to Citibank today in hopes of opening a checking account but turns out it wasn't gonna allow me enough time for the wire transfer since my first check would take longer than normal to clear (ended up doing it through parents' SunTrust account). I was thinking of opening a Citibank account because there are Citibanks in Tokyo (in case I ran into problems and needed to go to a physical bank) and currently I only do online banking for which I don't have a debit/check card (I think I can get one though so I'm trying that out) and I wanted to be able to withdraw cash from ATMs in Japan. As per Sophia's advice, I will be bringing cash to get me started, but in working out my budget I don't think I want to bring all that money in cash (especially for the dorm, there's all these monthly fees that we'll be charged and have to pay monthly). I did that over winter break and easily spent all the cash I had on hand and had to start charging things (which they don't allow everywhere) and my friends with their ATM cards had a much easier time. So basically, I would bring cash/travelers' checks, but it is by far very convenient and effective to have an ATM card (I just have weird circumstances where I've never had one...)
Haha ninja team! That's awesome!
Yeah, we should be good on buying tickets soon. Per Greg's request, I sent the details/info to his dad who's gonna look over it soon. Exciting!
You all post super helpful information, thanks so much!!
Mia's question got me thinking...
How are you all dealing with the money situation in Japan/what banks do you use/does your option allow you to waive fees that would be charged using international ATMs?
When I talked to the Citibank guy, he was like well I don't get why you're trying to do this...just to withdraw from ATMs? And besides the very basic account, the others require minimum balances and/or have extra fees that I want to avoid. It's just a bit frustrating because I don't have any sort of account at a local bank so I'm not sure how it all works.
Don't forget what they taught us in Study Abroad Training School, it's best to have at least 2 credit cards while you're abroad!
I already have a debit and credit card with my local bank, as well as with Bank of America (when I needed to have an account with a bank somewhere in C'ville for my first int'l wire transfer!), but I'm definitely considering getting a Citibank one also for all the reasons you just listed! It just seems like it would make life easier, and like you said..they have a full bank there and if we ran into trouble that'd make things go a lot smoother. Poor Bank of America account isn't getting any action...
I love our blog.
Ok so I posted my comment before I saw your second one..
Bahahaa... I like how the Citibank guy was trying to talk you out of joining his bank..
I just read about Bank of America, and they're in the Global Bank Alliance which is fee free or something, but they don't have any affiliates in Japan...or pretty much all of Asia except China.
And there's no hope for tiny little local Old National bank, hehe.
As far as accounts go, I can't remember ever having to pay any fees to join a bank.. in fact, they usually are having some kind of promotion and give you money! At Bank of America they were like "You need a $25 minimum deposit to start your account. And you'll be getting a $25 check in the mail for joining us today" haha. I think the deal with fees is maybe if you don't use your account somehow at least once a month they might charge a service fee of like $5 or something.
Jen, I think it sounds like for you.. if you've only got one account with a bank and no cards, I wouldn't worry about going ahead with the Citibank. It'll make life easier, and then you'll have some cards and be all adult-like! You can still do online banking to pay bills and such if you get a credit card. I love my debit card, it's soo easy to do everything.. For the longest time I thought credit card meant only credit card, but turns out it pretty much always means..debit card is cool too! I love cards. Hahaha... I'm gonna accidentally wind up in debt someday..
hm I have a question- why should we have more than one credit card again?
And to whichever bank I go- my parents or little old B of Am, they told me not to take debit cards abroad for the risk of having it stolen and used- it would be much easier to cancel a credit card and say you didn't make the charges vs a debit card where the money has already gone out.
Jeannette- I started my blog!:
traveloguemia.blogspot.com
At least 2 credit cards...I think there's a few reasons. First (and easily remedied), if you don't let your credit card company know ahead of time that you'll be abroad and use your card, it's very possible they'll freeze it until you authorize the charge (which is a bit more difficult if you're abroad because they tend to send you a letter in the mail to have you call them). Second, if one DOES get stolen or something, you'll have to cancel it. Third, maybe you'll reach your limit? Fourth, maybe not everywhere accepts all credit cards?
Good advice about the debit card, except I think I still need one...and just be really careful with it. Maybe leave it in a safe spot and not carry it on hand unless you know you need to make a trip to an ATM?
Ah yes, and thanks mucho for the tips Natalie. I think I'm just gonna go with a basic checking account...it'll just take a load of my back if I will be able to use a debit card.
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